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A simple analogy for intermediate forms

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http://www.true-equality.net/archive/2008/05/10/a-simple-analogy-for-intermediate-forms.aspx
I find that the argument that intermediate forms exist is a valid one as explained in the video. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SP9a0HEWnV0 httpv://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SP9a0HEWnV0

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You see, I have ... ( 1 year ago by gipnfdl)

You see, I have never had a book thrown on a desk at me and told "its all in there, God did it." I picked it up, and thoroughly searched out things that I didn't think made any sense and that were allegedly contradictory. I had questions and I wasn't afraid to look "in a book".

Also, I have had " ... ( 1 year ago by gipnfdl)

Also, I have had "books" presented to me in university telling me to "believe" what I was being told because "its the truth" when it was all theory. Don't be afraid to seek out God. If He turns out to not be real, you win! If He does, well, thats a whole new set of questions for you. Don't be afraid to look at all the evidence, including the bible.

Besides, what makes ... ( 1 year ago by gipnfdl)

Besides, what makes a book on theory and different than believing in the bible? Find out if the claims in the bible are true, not what people say is true in the bible, not even what I say. Research the bible yourself to see if its just some crap someone made up or see if its the truth.

Are you high? A ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

Are you high? A book on theory describes scientific experiments that can be reproduced. The bible is just a book of revelations that does not try to back itself up. Revelations don't work in science, we need proof.
Looking in the bible to decide whether the bible is correct? Interesting, but that'll get you nowhere. Alice in wonderland is a perfectly acceptable view of reality, not disprove this by only using what's in the book.

Which you can do of ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

Which you can do of course, you can say "what we see in the book isn't what we see in reality". Tada! Sound familiar?

We don't see ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

We don't see evidence of god, the flood, a six day creation, etc. When we look at the world what we see in the world contradicts what we see in the bible.

There is not one ... ( 1 year ago by NephilimFree)

There is not one shred of evidence for macroevolution and much for creation. i will gladly educate you in a debate.

Having faith is ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

Having faith is fine. But when people don't relise that and try to hold back the progress of science. Then that's where I step in.

I was Roman ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

I was Roman catholic until the age of 23, you know nothing about me.

Please do. Due to ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

Please do. Due to the word limit on youtube. A debate is best handled by email. I've sent you an email now to start.

No actually. Your ... ( 1 year ago by gipnfdl)

No actually. Your experience as a Roman Catholic and my experience growing up in a very conservative Baptist church (not the southern snake handler types either.) can't be compared. I respect your position. I wont try to educate you. I hope that you keep searching for the truth as you seem to be. I am praying for you.

I don't think the ... ( 1 year ago by gipnfdl)

I don't think the two are incompatible, infact, I think they are totally congruent.

so did evolution ... ( 1 year ago by moali68)

so did evolution happen fast or slow?

Define fast and ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

Define fast and slow :)
To us, evolution happened sloooooooowy.

I have heard some ... ( 1 year ago by moali68)

I have heard some evolutionist describe it as happing very fast, for example just 1 or 2 generations. Which is the reason they say no transitional fossils have been found as of yet. For example fossil records that show a particular species mid way through development.

Ok after watching ... ( 1 year ago by moali68)

Ok after watching your video again, i can see that your argument is quite inadequate. What you are implying is that there is a lack of transitional fossils in the scientific community, when there are actually NO transitional fossils for any of the 30 to 50 millions species out there. Can u pls name 2 species commonly known today and the number of fossils we have on record that separate the 2. For example (turtle-53-Dolphin)

That was called " ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

That was called "punctuated equilibrium" and was a competing theorum as to how evolution happens. It is not the commonly accepted model as opposed to the traditional "slow" evolution.
It was proposed by Dr. Stephen Jay Gould. But Gould was not opposing the fact of evolution.

I can do better ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

I can do better than 2.
Evolution of the horse: Kalobatippus
Parahippus > Merychippus > Hipparion > Pliohippus > Dinohippus > Plesippus
Sorry, did the anti-evolutionists say there were none? Am I a biologist? Nope. I took computer science at uni, not a scintilla of biology entered by education post high-school. How did I know that. I looked it up. But you didn't. You just said "show me" to some guy who made a video for youtube. A
nd that, is why you are a science denier.

So this still ... ( 1 year ago by moali68)

So this still leaves Evolutionist at the same problem regarding the gaps in the fossil records. They current fossil records do not support the theory, just as Darwin had predicted. (Intermediary fossils) Our current fossil records are quite immense, I might add. Also living fossils destroy this theory, species that lived 40+ million yrs ago, found today. Never having evolved.

You should study ... ( 1 year ago by moali68)

You should study more science. What you did was name 6 animals which are all considered to be a species of Horse. Their DNA did not change. It is the same as comparing a German Shepard to a Chi-wa-wa. They are the same species, with the same DNA, just some markers are turned off and others are turned on. The fact that all horses arose from the same ancestor is very different from 1 species becoming another. Who is denying science?

Okay moali68, ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

Okay moali68, humour me for a second.
Given that there is a thing called the fact of evolution - that allele frequencies change and that many creationists concede this (many call it micro evolution -- E.g. Kent Hovind). And that we know that the earth is about 4.6 billion years old. Just what do you think animals have been doing all
this time? Just sitting around not changing?

AE what you are ... ( 1 year ago by moali68)

AE what you are describing is micro evolution, what I was asking about was evidence of macro evolution. I believe the earth is many Billions of yrs old, as supported by many fields of science. What I don't agree with is people trying to convince others that macro evolution took place without any sound evidence to support it. I think that some form of Evolution must have taken place but I also believe the Quran when it says God created the first man.

There is no ... ( 1 year ago by ArgusEyes)

There is no difference between macro and micro evolution. These terms have, to my knowledge, been introduced by the religious. Macro evolution is simply micro evolution writ large. There is no new mechanism there. If I may nick a line from Brian Sapient.. "Why can't you walk a mile taking one step at a time?"

I am betting that ... ( 4 months ago by 1n354a)

I am betting that no matter the proof that is placed in front of your face, you will always deny. There could be a fossil for EVERY creature ever to walk the face of the planet laid out and you would still deny. That being said, I would recommend staying away from libraries or museums or centers of research, because the amount of denial that you will need to put out could quite lead to your instantaneous combustion. Head in the sand chief!

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